Why do you hate me so much. All because of the Minecraft thing I wanted to play with you guys and all you did was complain and flag it to @grazer plus literally all the other posts I had you flagged for nothing and becasue of that I got kicked out of Flowlab.io community for a week because of you.
Can you actully just stop with this please I have done nothing wrong to you at all and all you do is poor hate on me bro.
We are not hating on you. You are giving us reasons to flag your posts. You have attacked us for little reason, accusing us of wrongdoing (such as āstealingā from you without presenting proof), and also that whole Minecraft post should have been a private message instead of a public discussion.
Donāt blame us for consequences that you suffered thanks to your actions. You have already apologized for your rude actions TWICE and you have yet to prove that you are truly sorry.
Iām not commenting because I said I would stop commenting, because Iām done giving you the attention
Hey Grim, Iāve posted on this thread months ago about your game and how I did like it, even giving suggestions for it. I remember clearly that I had said that your game was gaining a personality too, which is good and then can be differentiated from other titles.
I definitely donāt hate anyone, and Iāve never flagged anyone on here. And my comment was purely suggestions on the best way to get your game out there, and how your comments arenāt healthy to your games visibility.
Come on Grim, you can do better than this. You had a great start but it was a slippery downward slope from there. Dust yourself off, clear your head, find solutions, and use those solutions you come up with. A lot of us are trying to help. You need to see that youāre tearing yourself down and others with you.
I know that you are not flagging any of my stuff if anything your the one who actually supports me
I,m giving you reasons @MetaNinja seriously thatās irritating none of my posts have absolutely no reason to be flag
Grim Iāve done nothing but given you my honest opinions. Iām not going to just tell you what you want to hear! Iāve given you multiple chances, and Iāve given you my honest advice. Iām constantly giving you my opinions on your game when I see your thread dying. I LET you join my team, so you could prove that you could work with other people. And Iām the villain?
You want to know why my game is ahead of yours? Because I post my game on review posts I keep a constantly updating update log, I make friends on flowlab not enemies, my friends decide they want to help make the game, they advertise it on their threads.
As you can see almost ALL of those reasons include OTHER PEOPLE wanting to help. All youāve been doing is trying to TELL people to play your game instead of asking them to.
Iām glad you trust me with not flagging you, Grim. But you do see that there is an issue, right? We canāt ALL be insane, and only be against you because we want to. I would have noticed, and especially grazer, because that would have been plain cruel.
But thatās not the case. Yes, there has been heated arguments on either side, but every fuse has a match that lights it. The games that youāre proclaiming to āsuckā are the games made by the majority of your players. Why would they want to play a game by someone who insulted them on something they might have worked really hard on? Saying other games āsuckā, and that yours is ācoolā is not the best advertising, especially on a game forum with other indie developers. People on Flowlab usually never come on to just play games, they come to make them. So saying that other games compared to yours is lower tier is not the best marketing strategy.
If you read my previous comments to the full, you would see a more popular and effective strategy for marketing, and how to get out of this mess. Reread my comments to their entirety and thoroughly, I think you may have missed my points.
@rcreger and @Ramshacklegamestudios pretty much just said what needed to be said, but just another thing: your posts did have a reason to be flagged. Some of them were just for the sake of throwing ad hominem attacks at people.
Ad hominem, latin for āagainst the manā, is basically an attack on other people for who they are or how they act, and such attack is unjustified. You have always called people āsuck-upsā, rudely giving feedback to their games, and called people names (you called me ākidā, which while it didnāt offend me, it was still uncalled for). We, on the other hand, are not making any ad hominem attacks against you because we are trying to point out the wrongdoings that you are making, yet you just push back and call us the bad guys. We never called you names, but you do. We never called someone the r-word, yet you have done that in a now deleted post, because you knew that it would get you flagged, which means that you know that your behavior is unacceptable, and yet you still act disrespectful.
For the sake of everyone on the forums, yourself included, please stop this kind of behavior. We are trying to be as nice as we can; now itās your turn.
I started re-reading the posts, trying to see how all of this started and it turns out that @Ramshacklegamestudios was giving @GrimProductionZ advice on maybe finishing his game instead of full on trying to get everyone playing it. I just want to say that maybe thereās a reason people only play the game like once or twice and then stop, its probably cause their waiting for the game to be updated. I donāt know why and argument was started over this, but I feel like this is starting to happen at least once a month now.
The only solution that I can think of is that maybe @GrimProductionZ, you should just continue updating your game (in which I canāt wait to see it finished) and I canāt really think of anything that @Ramshacklegamestudios did wrong. All of this started up from a miscommunication. Grim you probably read his post and took it the wrong way, which can happen a lot since you canāt really express emotions really well in chat, but at least try taking it as if it were a compliment instead of just starting a war over it.
Now those were the main reasons that I saw on here, if there was other sources elsewhere then I donāt know, but thats about all I got out of here. (Iām currently in the middle of English right now trying to explain this, lol.)
Grim no one is going to play your game over and over again cause itās not exactly finished like what everyoneās been saying and there isnāt a main goal yet, no one plays my game anymore or just recently because its just a demo and there isnāt much gameplay in it and Iām sure everyone is just waiting for a new map change or something. So you shouldnāt get so worked up on something so little.
The forums is supposed to be a collaboration of Game devs reviewing and helping each otherās games and/or concepts and ideas. I donāt want the forums to be made of a civil war, plus this would leave a bad reputation and if new comers join in and see that people are in constant anger over stuff, they would feel insecure about flowlab and probably leave. Like I said earlier in this humongous book, it was probably just a form of miscommunication and you shouldnāt take things too seriously. I do remember you making a DoM 3 with Ramshackleās consent, but then you took inspiration from that and made you own game, there literally was no harm done in that. Okay, my hands are starting to hurt now.
Also because of the flags that people put on your comments was mainly trying to keep the forums spam free. Not a whole lot of people want to see other games advertised on flowlab unless you are taking inspiration from it, but you full on just started asking people to play minecraft. Iām not saying that I hate the game, but I feel like that sort of thing would need to be private. You could have asked through private message or on another social platform, but not the flowlab forums.
Like I said before, this would be setting a bad example towards new game devs and I donāt want to see flowlab shrink even more than what it is now, although everyone who is here currently is probably used to this by now, but I still donāt want the forums to look like pure anarchy. If someone starts arguing or blaming you for something, I would just try to figure out a solution peacefully instead of just giving in to anger, and if you do some how get angry over something, try thinking of the consequences over your actions and how it might effect your reputation, flowlabās reputation, and maybe even other people. Now I know this was a communication error so Iām not blaming anyone or taking any sides, but Grim you have been known for this kind of thing and I just donāt want to see you get kicked or banned from the forums. I doubt a mod will do that, but if stuff like this continues it may be a result.
Okay sorry for all of this typing, I would probably give an award to someone who reads every word of this, lol. I guess I got a little carrier away.
I need my award XD
But well put and touched up on most of the details well. This thread has been only arguments of late (I was personally just trying to give ways to Grim on how he could resolve this and grow from the situation, but I could have changed some wordage), and itād be a shame if it got locked. But in summary: Grim, please listen to ManiacPumpkin, he knows what heās saying and gives a perfect example about you play count shrink.
Iām not even going to try and read all of that geez you must play nitro type every day to wright this much
Go read all of it, every word, I did. Take his advice, it is very good advice.
I hope itās not @ManiacPumpkin advice please tell me your not telling me I have to read his and others is good though.
